Another guy in the witness list is a CPA, not an election expert, a guy who wrote an e-book about the 2020 election. He's a far-right Arizona politician, member of the Oath Keepers, and a prominent election denier. On the witness list for Eastman is a guy named Mark Finchem. You know, he wants to show that he had a good faith reason to believe there was election fraud. Eastman's list of witnesses includes some pretty well-known election deniers, people you've covered, Miles, you know, suggesting that Eastman wants to put the election itself on trial to some extent. So we've got the state bar's case, which includes a lot of election officials testifying that the election was safe and secure and there was no widespread fraud. So the state bar is still making its case, but any idea what Eastman's defense is going to be?ĭREISBACH: Right. I remember Jacob testifying during the January 6 Commission hearings as well. And Jacob also testified, importantly, that he thought Eastman's plan helped contribute to the riot itself. In other words, the state bar is trying to show Eastman knew this plan was unconstitutional, and he tried it anyway. And Jacob testified that Eastman admitted to him that if they actually tried Eastman's plan for Pence to stop the Electoral College count, that the Supreme Court would overrule them 9 to nothing. Behind the scenes, he was pushing back on the Eastman plan. He was a counsel to Vice President Pence. Now, this week we heard testimony from Greg Jacob. And that goes against professional responsibilities for lawyers. And so how is the state of California making the case that Eastman should lose his license for all of this?ĭREISBACH: Well, the state bar says, for one thing, that Eastman was either knowingly making false claims of election fraud or he was willfully blind to the fact that the information he was sharing was false. But ultimately, Eastman did not receive that pardon. Now, after the insurrection on January 6, Eastman wrote an email to Rudy Giuliani asking for Trump to add him to a list of pardons he heard was going around. So he was both filing lawsuits that included some of these fraud claims and voting irregularities and, at the same time, was advancing the legal theory that Pence could overturn the election and working on sending alternative or fake pro-Trump slates of electors to the Electoral College. Now, Eastman was also behind the scenes, this architect of a plan for Vice President Pence to stop the count of Electoral College votes and block Biden's victory. And at the rally, he made this just baseless claim that the voting machines had a, quote, "secret folder" of votes that was used to steal the election from Trump. So if people remember the pro-Trump rally on January 6 just before the Capitol riot, Eastman was this guy on stage at that rally wearing a kind of Indiana Jones-type hat, standing alongside Rudy Giuliani. This true story shows the long-term consequences of close encounters, proving that no one is exempt from a potential contact.DREISBACH: Yeah. Filmmaker Alan Stivelman together with the help of well-known scientist and researcher Jacques Vallée begin an epic journey to help Juan in understanding the deep meaning of his close encounter. This week Brent sits down with Alan Stivelman, director of Witness of Another world, a fantastic new documentary: A lonely gaucho named Juan lives a solitary existence on a remote farm ever since he witnessed a UFO event.
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